#isis was so batshit crazy and unlike other islamic militant groups that that they had to invent the term islamic stateism just to define
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chaiaurchaandni · 1 year ago
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is hamas = isis?
i've been seeing zionists say that 'anti-zionist and pro-palestine jews who oppose israel are not real jews' and ... first of all. who are you to decide who is and isnt a real jew?
and secondly!!! guess what this is a disturbing parallel to? ISIS.
because when the islamic state declared a caliphate, they also said smth similar: that any muslim who opposes the caliphate of the islamic state, is an apostate.
also interesting to note that, according to isis, hamas would also be apostates + isis also opposed hamas bec isis believed that nobody besides the caliphate of islamic state had the right to declare jihad -> so isis declared war on hamas
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on the other hand, israel has provided free treatment to isis and other syrian militants in israeli hospitals
obv the tactic of equating hamas with isis is pure hasbara done for the sake of creating mass hysteria against hamas and convincing the usa/nato to sanction the mass killing of palestinians (in the name of eliminating hamas). macron even said the same coalition fighting isis should also fight hamas
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some more differences + links mentioned below the cut:
some other differences:
isis is a salafi/wahabi org (look into islamic statism) /// hamas is a sunni org
isis is a transnational org /// hamas is a palestinian nationalist org
the aim of isis is to eradicate all 'bad' muslims+non-muslims & establish their rule all over the world /// the aim of hamas is to secure complete liberation of palestine
isis has conducted militant operations in different countries beyond its territories /// hamas does not conduct operations beyond historic palestine
isis kills anyone who does not adhere to its extremist interpretation of islam (including yazidis, jews, christians, shia & sufi muslims) /// hamas has been tolerant to different sects (alliance with shia hezbollah org) + different religions (palestinian christians/foreign aid workers)
isis literally legalized slavery which afaik no other islamic militant org has done (besides boko haram i think?)
isis is extremely anti-shia and opposes hamas for having links with iran and hezbollah
isis also feels obligated to kill any other muslim that does not pledge loyalty to the caliphate (even attacked some of their own previous allies) /// hamas has an alliance with several other palestinian resistance organizations regardless of different ideologies as long as they share a common goal of liberating palestine (palestinian joint operations room)
pls lmk if any info here is incorrect/needs editing!
links:
What Effect ISIS' Declaration Of War Against Hamas Could Have In The Middle East : NPR
Hamas Is Not ISIS. Here's Why That Matters | TIME
UN Report: Israel in Regular Contact with Syrian Rebels including ISIS - IBTimes India
Ideology of the Islamic State - Wikipedia
Why Islamic State has no sympathy for Hamas - Al-Monitor: Independent, trusted coverage of the Middle East
France’s Macron says anti-ISIL coalition should fight Hamas | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera
Salafist ideological challenge to Hamas in Gaza - BBC News
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evilelitest2 · 8 years ago
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Thoughts on the recent terrorist attack in London
So long time followers have noticed that I don’t really talk about my in these posts, that is kind of “my opinions” “nonsense I like” and “Objective facts” and most of what you get from me comes from the tone I have and the various insults i use, and the works I recommend (hint hint).  I don’t really talk about myself on the internet and I am not a very personable person when I am not in person (I fucking love that sentence and I am standing by it fuck you).  But my entire life has basically been growing up with the panic of “Random crazy people are going to kill you at any moment” all my life and I’ve gotten kinda normalized to it, so I kinda want to talk about this in response to the terrorist attacks we are seeing in Europe.  
As you can tell by my love of diversity and general attitude, I am a New Yorker from NYC and my mom use to work at the Twin Towers, my family had a friend on one of the planes, and between 9/11 and Columbine, almost all of my life has been under this constant sense of dread and fear about the random violence that makes up  the world and how we can respond to make that fear go away.  I consider it ironic that I was born in 1991 just as the Cold War fell and the US was ready for its “lets relax” phase.  So growing up constantly being told that somebody was trying to kill me is pretty normal and unlike my parents, the person who is trying to kill me isn’t easily recognizable like the Soviet Union or the Nazis for my Grandparents, its “terrorism” this vague undefined nebulous thing that never seems to go away or have a face other than Muslim and middle eastern.  And it says something for the kind of world that I live in that when i read about a terrorist attack in London my initial gut reaction was three simultaneous emotions 
1) Oh no, those poor people
2) Oh goddamnit not again
3) Oh boy, now we are going to go fuck up the war on terror even mroe
    Now some of you might be like “holy shit you monster, you are cynical to this” but yes, yes, I am, because there have been so many of these terrorist attacks that this is normal to me now, despite never actually being the victim of one.  this is my new normal, and as has been observed many times, democracies cannot work if a wartime mentality is the norm rather than the exception.  
   Part of the reason why I am so desensitized is because the entire way we understand terrorism is stupid and motivated by emotions rather than you know...facts.  In the big box of “get people to vote against their own interest” Terrorism is like...the biggest thing in the box, I mixed up my metaphor.  But we totally understand terrorism wrong and part of that is the fact I earlier said that there have been so many of these things but...there actually haven’t.  It seems like a lot but since 9/11 there have only been a few dozen international terrorist attacks in the West, the largest number of terrorist attacks continue to be domestic terrorist attacks by people like Dylann Roof, which we arent’ doing anything about because it isn’t as sexy as a foreign enemy, thanks military industrial complex.  ALso because its easier for us to dehumanize our fellow citizens particularly if they are white men, then it is brown people from countries we can’t find on a map with names we can’t pronounce
    I realize my tone and writing in response to this event is utterly irreverent of the fact that 4 people are dead and at least 20 more are injured, that for those people they were just having a normal day and suddenly found themselves in a war zone, that for the families of those people in the span of five mins their world has come crashing down and all across the UK people are going to be in a state of fear, but I can no longer respond to terrorist attacks without responding to...well the response to the terrorist attack.  Because we spend so much time turning this into a nebulous form of fear and don’t ever try to understand the motivation of our enemies, we always seem to do exactly what they want us to do.
    You know how the right talks about “tough choices” and “making hard decisions” and “looking at things from a military perspective?”  Well lets try that for a second, lets look at things from a cold pragmatic military view point.  4 dead and 20 wounded, in terms of the UK as a whole what does that do to hurt it?  If 4 people had fatal heart attacks and 20 more people got into non fatal car accidents today, would that effect the UK’s ability to function as a country their ability to fight ISIS, their power as a major nation?  No, just like 3,000 people killed in a day didn’t actually harm the US in a major way from a resource level, I mean look at how many people die from automobile accidents per year.  So if you were a terrorist trying to destroy the West, why bother, why kill a few people when it makes no difference? There aren’t enough of these attacks to really add up the numbers, you’d have to have an attack like this every day in the UK to even start to make a difference and that would take years.  So why do terrorists do it?  They are trying to bait us, its a trap.  Bin Laden never though 9/11 was going to destroy America in its, he thought that American would get involved in a long pointless unwinnable expensive war in the middle east and that would destroy America and...hey he was right. Terrorists do attacks like this to try to provoke us into doing what they want, and because we are emotionally upset by the attack and because we refuse to imagine the middle east complexly, we always fall into these traps.  
   For example, why do you think the Paris attacks and the Germany attacks, and the Belgium Attacks happened last year?  What did that do to help ISIS in a practical way?  Why did ISIS do that?  Couldn’t they have used those men and bombs to fight more directly in Iraq/Syria?  Its not like random Parisians are responsible for ISIS’s recent military defeats.  Well they are trying to change European politics in two ways.  Firstly, they want people to blame the refugees and secondly to allow the Far Right to rise.  The Far Right is good for ISIS, because not only do they make recruitment easier and are more likely to get bogged down in stupid middle eastern conflicts, they also agree with ISIS on one basic principle.  That Islam and the West are incompatible.  Which of course isn’t true, there are literally millions of Muslims who are totally assimilated into the West, but that claim is what keeps ISIS alive.  See the refugees terrify ISIS, like if you read their posts to each other and look at what they are talking about, they are batshit horrified by the refugee crisis, because of something called the Grey Zone, the hypothetical moment when Islam becomes as integrated into the West as Judaism is.  Because once that happens, the entire argument of fundamentalist Islam will be proven to be a lie and all of these terrorist groups will find their support vanish.  ISIS claims to be the new caliphate, and the fact that millions of Muslims are running away from ISIS to the secular, decadent, democratic, feminist, Islamophobic west makes ISIS look terrible, it ruins their PR.  If we wanted to win this War on Terror, we would take in as many refugees as possible and integrate them as quickly as possible, so that we could use that as a rhetorical sledge hammer against militant Islam “Hey look, the West accepts Muslims more than you do”  So ISIS tries to prevent this by doing terrorist attacks that will provoke heavy handed responses, and they cheer every time we do a Muslim ban or use refugees as scapegoat or say Islam is a religion of hate, because that is exactly what they want.  Brexit did more to help ISIS than any terrorist attack ever could.  
     After the Paris Bombings new security measures basically made that kind of mass organization impossible, and more and more terrorist attacks in Europe today involve cars and knives, things that people can access in their day to day lives.  And in many ways that shows that the security system worked, bombing campaigns simply aren’t possible anymore.  But then since we haven’t addressed the core problem they switch to cars.  These hard line responses don’t work, torture didn’t reduce terrorism, neither did the invasions in Iraq, nor the Drone Strikes nor the airport security.   Because we are basically playing defensive, responding to everything they do to provoke us, the only way to really win this damn thing is if we played offensively and our political leaders don’t want to do that because that would involve actually imagining Islam complexly.  So we just use a bunch of tough sounding rhetoric and hope the problem goes away 
Wars aren’t ever won by doing exactly what the enemy wants us to do, and until we actually sit down and try to understand what this war is about, we aren’t fighting to win, we are just wasting time.  And those poor people in London will have effectively died in order to give ISIS what they want, it makes me sick.  This is why I don’t get personal in these sorts of things.  
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evilelitest2 · 8 years ago
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Stockholm Terrorist Attack
I am reposting what I wrote about the London Terrorist Attack about a month ago, because it applies to what just happened in Stockholm Sweden.  
“So long time followers have noticed that I don’t really talk about my in these posts, that is kind of “my opinions” “nonsense I like” and “Objective facts” and most of what you get from me comes from the tone I have and the various insults i use, and the works I recommend (hint hint).  I don’t really talk about myself on the internet and I am not a very personable person when I am not in person (I fucking love that sentence and I am standing by it fuck you).  But my entire life has basically been growing up with the panic of “Random crazy people are going to kill you at any moment” all my life and I’ve gotten kinda normalized to it, so I kinda want to talk about this in response to the terrorist attacks we are seeing in Europe.  
As you can tell by my love of diversity and general attitude, I am a New Yorker from NYC and my mom use to work at the Twin Towers, my family had a friend on one of the planes, and between 9/11 and Columbine, almost all of my life has been under this constant sense of dread and fear about the random violence that makes up  the world and how we can respond to make that fear go away.  I consider it ironic that I was born in 1991 just as the Cold War fell and the US was ready for its “lets relax” phase.  So growing up constantly being told that somebody was trying to kill me is pretty normal and unlike my parents, the person who is trying to kill me isn’t easily recognizable like the Soviet Union or the Nazis for my Grandparents, its “terrorism” this vague undefined nebulous thing that never seems to go away or have a face other than Muslim and middle eastern.  And it says something for the kind of world that I live in that when i read about a terrorist attack in London my initial gut reaction was three simultaneous emotions
1) Oh no, those poor people
2) Oh goddamnit not again
3) Oh boy, now we are going to go fuck up the war on terror even mroe
   Now some of you might be like “holy shit you monster, you are cynical to this” but yes, yes, I am, because there have been so many of these terrorist attacks that this is normal to me now, despite never actually being the victim of one.  this is my new normal, and as has been observed many times, democracies cannot work if a wartime mentality is the norm rather than the exception.  
  Part of the reason why I am so desensitized is because the entire way we understand terrorism is stupid and motivated by emotions rather than you know…facts.  In the big box of “get people to vote against their own interest” Terrorism is like…the biggest thing in the box, I mixed up my metaphor.  But we totally understand terrorism wrong and part of that is the fact I earlier said that there have been so many of these things but…there actually haven’t.  It seems like a lot but since 9/11 there have only been a few dozen international terrorist attacks in the West, the largest number of terrorist attacks continue to be domestic terrorist attacks by people like Dylann Roof, which we arent’ doing anything about because it isn’t as sexy as a foreign enemy, thanks military industrial complex.  ALso because its easier for us to dehumanize our fellow citizens particularly if they are white men, then it is brown people from countries we can’t find on a map with names we can’t pronounce
   I realize my tone and writing in response to this event is utterly irreverent of the fact that 4 people are dead and at least 20 more are injured, that for those people they were just having a normal day and suddenly found themselves in a war zone, that for the families of those people in the span of five mins their world has come crashing down and all across the UK people are going to be in a state of fear, but I can no longer respond to terrorist attacks without responding to…well the response to the terrorist attack.  Because we spend so much time turning this into a nebulous form of fear and don’t ever try to understand the motivation of our enemies, we always seem to do exactly what they want us to do.
   You know how the right talks about “tough choices” and “making hard decisions” and “looking at things from a military perspective?”  Well lets try that for a second, lets look at things from a cold pragmatic military view point.  4 dead and 20 wounded, in terms of the UK as a whole what does that do to hurt it?  If 4 people had fatal heart attacks and 20 more people got into non fatal car accidents today, would that effect the UK’s ability to function as a country their ability to fight ISIS, their power as a major nation?  No, just like 3,000 people killed in a day didn’t actually harm the US in a major way from a resource level, I mean look at how many people die from automobile accidents per year.  So if you were a terrorist trying to destroy the West, why bother, why kill a few people when it makes no difference? There aren’t enough of these attacks to really add up the numbers, you’d have to have an attack like this every day in the UK to even start to make a difference and that would take years.  So why do terrorists do it?  They are trying to bait us, its a trap.  Bin Laden never though 9/11 was going to destroy America in its, he thought that American would get involved in a long pointless unwinnable expensive war in the middle east and that would destroy America and…hey he was right. Terrorists do attacks like this to try to provoke us into doing what they want, and because we are emotionally upset by the attack and because we refuse to imagine the middle east complexly, we always fall into these traps.  
  For example, why do you think the Paris attacks and the Germany attacks, and the Belgium Attacks happened last year?  What did that do to help ISIS in a practical way?  Why did ISIS do that?  Couldn’t they have used those men and bombs to fight more directly in Iraq/Syria?  Its not like random Parisians are responsible for ISIS’s recent military defeats.  Well they are trying to change European politics in two ways.  Firstly, they want people to blame the refugees and secondly to allow the Far Right to rise.  The Far Right is good for ISIS, because not only do they make recruitment easier and are more likely to get bogged down in stupid middle eastern conflicts, they also agree with ISIS on one basic principle.  That Islam and the West are incompatible.  Which of course isn’t true, there are literally millions of Muslims who are totally assimilated into the West, but that claim is what keeps ISIS alive.  See the refugees terrify ISIS, like if you read their posts to each other and look at what they are talking about, they are batshit horrified by the refugee crisis, because of something called the Grey Zone, the hypothetical moment when Islam becomes as integrated into the West as Judaism is.  Because once that happens, the entire argument of fundamentalist Islam will be proven to be a lie and all of these terrorist groups will find their support vanish.  ISIS claims to be the new caliphate, and the fact that millions of Muslims are running away from ISIS to the secular, decadent, democratic, feminist, Islamophobic west makes ISIS look terrible, it ruins their PR.  If we wanted to win this War on Terror, we would take in as many refugees as possible and integrate them as quickly as possible, so that we could use that as a rhetorical sledge hammer against militant Islam “Hey look, the West accepts Muslims more than you do”  So ISIS tries to prevent this by doing terrorist attacks that will provoke heavy handed responses, and they cheer every time we do a Muslim ban or use refugees as scapegoat or say Islam is a religion of hate, because that is exactly what they want.  Brexit did more to help ISIS than any terrorist attack ever could.  
    After the Paris Bombings new security measures basically made that kind of mass organization impossible, and more and more terrorist attacks in Europe today involve cars and knives, things that people can access in their day to day lives.  And in many ways that shows that the security system worked, bombing campaigns simply aren’t possible anymore.  But then since we haven’t addressed the core problem they switch to cars.  These hard line responses don’t work, torture didn’t reduce terrorism, neither did the invasions in Iraq, nor the Drone Strikes nor the airport security.   Because we are basically playing defensive, responding to everything they do to provoke us, the only way to really win this damn thing is if we played offensively and our political leaders don’t want to do that because that would involve actually imagining Islam complexly.  So we just use a bunch of tough sounding rhetoric and hope the problem goes away
Wars aren’t ever won by doing exactly what the enemy wants us to do, and until we actually sit down and try to understand what this war is about, we aren’t fighting to win, we are just wasting time.  And those poor people in London will have effectively died in order to give ISIS what they want, it makes me sick.  This is why I don’t get personal in these sorts of things.��
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